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Mark 7 makes it clear that the ONE true Church magisterium in Christ's day - the nation church started by God at Sinai - put traditions of man in ahead of the word of God.

Acts 17:11 provides a...

Catholic Digest has an interesting article on this subject - (so also the very-Catholic historian Thomas Bokenkotter) -- both of them define the idea of magic sacramental waters and the idea that...

Going back to my earlier point. In Acts 17:11 we see Luke affirming the Bereans who choose to "Study the scriptures daily to see IF those things spoken to them by Paul were so".

Someone has...

Peter is explicit that the aspect of Baptism that saves is NOT the magic touch of sacramental waters to the skin -- but instead the "appeal to God for a clean conscience".

And ALL can quickly...

In any case - this thread is not about Bible burning - it is about the principle of testing all doctrine against the Word of God in a true "Study the bible daily to see IF those things are so" model....

The record shows a lot of "Bible burning" and "heretic book burning" as I recall - accompanied by anathemas. Not exactly the kind of thing the Catholic Church was in a position to do at the time...

I agree that historically the Bible went from a status of being in the common language to eventually being locked up -- until the reformation.

It is pretty hard to do "sola scriptura testing" when...

I beg to differ.

in Christ,

Bob

First of all - I agree that appealing to the scriptures to support your idea is an appeal to accepted common ground.

But in the case of 1Peter 3:21 you have a problem because Peter argues against...

I haven't paid that much attention to it - but it turns out the group that you are asking about is the 3rd largest denomination in America if they all belonged to one church.




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Latin was the "common man's language" of Jerome's day. The "street language" for the empire. Hence the "vulgate" - and a Bible available to people under the Roman empire long before 1611.

Before...

David speaks of the New Birth in Psalms 51.

Christ reminds Nicodemus that the New Birth is an Old Testament - precross teaching for OT saints.

If you believe in the teaching of Romans 3 on the...

No - I am saying that the "one Gospel" of Gal 1:6-11 is already stated in Heb 4:2 to be the very Gospel of the OT saints. Thus even today in Heb 11 they are the models for NT saints. They were saved...

I choose as my "definition" of Sola-Scriptura - nothing more than the Acts 17:11 statement "they studied the scriptures daily to SEE IF those things were so".



In Acts 17:11 they "studied the...

I am surprised you would bring up 1Pet 3:21 since it argues against infant baptism "corresponding to that - baptism now saves you NOT the touch of sacramental waters to the skin but RATHER an appeal...

1Peter 3 - "corresponding to that baptism now saves you NOT the touch of magic-sacramental-waters to the skin but an APPEAL to God for a clean conscience".

Believer's baptism is an outward sign...

1. Matt 17 Moses and Elijah appear with Christ - not in "Abraham's Bosom".

2. "Abraham's bosom" is never called "Paradise" in the Bible.

3. 2Cor 3 makes it clear - no salvation under the Old...

Peter said the writings of Paul were included as scripture. But he does not say "I now declare the writings of Paul to be included with scripture". Rather Peter writes as though the NT saints already...

Ok we will take it in steps.

1. - let's go back to Acts 17:11 - this takes place in the 1st century - no Roman Catholics for a few hundred years. And "yet" they knew what "Scripture was".

In...

According to the Apostolic teaching of Peter we have "Holy men of old moved by the Holy Spirit Spoke From GOD" 2 Peter 1:21.

And Paul says that ALL scripture is God breathed ("All scripture is...

My point about the Catholics "protesting" their own denomination - is simply that most Protestant groups today see themselves as following in the traditions of those early Protesting Catholics....

Almost all of them would also argue that the Catholic did not surface until centuries after the Apostolic age. And so they would view that the Catholic church "evolved" over time out of the early NT...

So the fact that each one sees the other guy's magisterium as totally unnacceptable as a source for authority is not too surprising. I am sure you would agree on that point. It is the "expected...

[QUOTE=Philthy;1356]The fact that a group split off from the CC somehow "disqualifies" the CC? I'm sorry but I don't follow their reasoning at all. Not only doesn't it disqualify the CC, but it...

In Matt 12 Jesus said that only one sin is unforgivable. It is rejection of the Holy Spirit.

In 1John 5:16 John says that God will not forgive that sin.

That is very different from the sins we...