Santorum Suspends Campaign

[Unclaimed Treasure]

I'm not questioning anybody's Christianity, just the fact that a presumably Christian pastor would say they wouldn't vote for Romney because he is Mormon or would not vote given the choice. That part is not believable. I could believe lots of people from the ignorant masses might say that, but not a pastor.

That word in that context, unless you are using it in ignorance because you do not know the meaning of it, IS calling my pastor's faith into question. If however you are doubting that he said it, since I was a witness to his statement and can attest that he said it, you are then implying that I am a liar. Neither conduct will be tolerated!

[BeyondBlessed]

In either scenario, you do understand that you're making an unbelievable case then, and there's no way I believe a Christian pastor would say that.

Be sure to re-read what you claim your pastor said about Romney and Obama.

[historyb]

Your are the most ignorant person BB, back on iggy you go

[Unclaimed Treasure]

Well, BB, all I can say to that is if you have an inablility to recognize and/or accept the truth when it is written or spoken to you, then you need far, far more help than anyone here can give you. I suggest you go find it.

[HighBeams]

In either scenario, you do understand that you're making an unbelievable case then, and there's no way I believe a Christian pastor would say that.

Be sure to re-read what you claim your pastor said about Romney and Obama.

BB, Since you were not there, you have no idea what was said or was not said. (I remind you that UT said that she was there and heard the conversation herself.) Since you also do not know that pastor, you have no idea about his relationship with Jesus to question whether he is a Christian or not. (Like it or not, BB, you ARE making a judgment about the pastor's religious beliefs.) What do you base your Christian beliefs on, BB? What is your final authority? For those who are evangelical, the Bible--aka the Word of God--is the final authority, and it says that any other gospel teaching is heresy. Mormon doctrine is in opposition to Biblical doctrine. By Biblical definition of Christianity, Mormonism is not Christian. In fact, for many years the Mormons emphatically denied that they were Christians. It's only been recently (within the last 20 years or so) that they have called themselves Christian, and what they mean by that is that they are the true followers of God and supercede all other Christian churches.

[JesusLovesYou]

Uhm, anyone have anything to add about what I mentioned? Is the GOP making our life difficult? Why do we seem to have these to choose from?

[Naldacon]

Amen and Amen! I can wait till that moronic idiot, who is non us citzen and not born in the US muslim obama gets booted out. It will be a day to party and fall down and praise God that He recused us from an Anti-Christ

Titus and historyb,

President Obama obtained and released an authenticated copy of his Hawaii birth certificate. Like it or not, he is a natural born U.S. citizen that received a majority of the popular and Electoral College votes. You can disagree with his politics, but the fact remains that he is President of the United States. I realize evidence is not good enough for some people however.

President Obama shows no sign of being a Muslim. He does not pray in the direction of Mecca five times a day, he does not observe Ramadan or Muslim holy days, and as far as I know, has never been on a pilgrimage to Mecca nor claimed that Mohammed is the last and greatest prophet of Allah. To claim he is a Muslim seems awfully close to bearing false witness or judging his heart without the authority to do so. He attends a Christian church. When he was sworn into the Senate, he placed his hand on his personal copy of the Holy Bible. He has professed faith in the same Jesus Christ of the New Testament that you do (unlike Romney who believes in the Book of Mormon version of Jesus, the brother of Lucifer). If your doubt of Obama's profession of belief in Jesus is based on his stand on abortion, there are millions of people in this country who profess Christianity and believe that providing women with safe and legal abortion services is an an important health issue (i.e. to prevent the days of coat hanger abortions). Does supporting a woman's access to the option of abortion automatically condemn one to Hell? Is it impossible to be Christian and support a woman's access to safe and legal abortion services? There are also millions of Americans who embrace the prosperity gospel - that the message of the New Testament is in large part that God wants you to be rich and happy. Is it impossible to be embrace the prosperity gospel and be a Christian?

As far as I know, the only taxes President Obama has actually raised are federal cigarette taxes. Remember the payroll tax holiday? President Obama has cut far more taxes for the majority of working Americans than he has raised. Yes, there are new taxes he signed into law as part of the health care overhaul bill, but Republicans may yet make sure that those taxes never kick in - which makes it odd that the Congressman Paul Ryan's budget plan assumes $400 billion in revenue from those very tax increases on individuals making $200,000 or more per year (and families making $250,000 per year) that may go away (with his help). That seems pretty disingenuous of Congressman Ryan to me.

Also, Titus, President Obama is clearly not a socialist. I realize that anyone to the left of Barry Goldwater is probably a socialist in your book, but if President Obama were truly a socialist, he would have proposed nationalizing the health care system and doing away with insurance companies - giving us truly socialized medicine rather than supporting a plan that requires everyone to have private health insurance - either through an employer or as an individual. If he were a true socialist, he would probably would have worked to nationalize the oil industry and controlled oil prices so that gas prices would not be an issue for his re-election. With the exception of the regulation associated with the health care overhaul, President Obama has actually worked to decrease the number of government regulations - hardly something you would expect of a socialist.

You are free to disagree strongly with his policies, but please do so on the basis of facts and not trumped up emotional and false charges regarding his religion or supposed political philosophy. The fact of the matter is that he is far from the radical socialist/liberal that many make him out to be, Titus (and historyb). I also do not understand, historyb, how he can be accused of being an Anti-Christ. He has said nothing contrary to the message of Jesus as far as I know, has not called for people to worship him instead of Jesus (that's something a lot of people did on their own unfortunately during his first campaign), and has certainly not started persecuting Christians as you (historyb) once predicted (I recall that you once said on the old forum that under President Obama that we would witness Christian persecution not seen since the days of Nero). At the end of the day President Obama is a pragmatic politician constrained by the balance of powers from the legislative and judicial branches of government that our founding fathers wisely crafted.

[Naldacon]

Uhm, anyone have anything to add about what I mentioned? Is the GOP making our life difficult? Why do we seem to have these to choose from?

Given the role that money and organization play in politics (and money certainly helps with the latter), it was pretty much a foregone conclusion that Mitt Romney would win the GOP nomination for President of the United States. The conservatives and evangelicals kept splitting and moving their votes from candidate to candidate (Gingrich, Bachmann, the pizza guy whose name eludes me at the moment, and Santorum), providing the Romney machine with the opportunity to sway enough moderate, less ideologically driven Republicans to win enough primary votes to seal up the nomination.

Ron Paul's campaign was running an interesting ad for a while. It had lemmings running off a cliff, holding McCain 2008 signs while saying they were supporting McCain because "he can beat Obama." Next we see a bunch of lemmings holding Romney 2012 signs saying they are supporting Romney because "he can beat Obama" while running toward the same cliff.

[RoyS]

I'm not questioning anybody's Christianity, just the fact that a presumably Christian pastor would say they wouldn't vote for Romney because he is Mormon or would not vote given the choice. That part is not believable. I could believe lots of people from the ignorant masses might say that, but not a pastor.

I won't vote for a Mormon either; would you like to question my salvation? Are you going to say I'm ignorant because I don't place stock in a false religion? God's word has plenty to say about those who believe in false gods; you might try reading it sometime. It behooves pastors to warn their congregation about false prophets; if you think that's the wrong thing to do, I question your state of grace.

[historyb]

President Obama obtained and released an authenticated copy of his Hawaii birth certificate. Like it or not, he is a natural born U.S. citizen

bullhockey. He is a pretender and not a citizen and hates America