Soul Sleep in the New Testament and beyond

[BobRyan]

Bob, you're really missing something here.

Because a person claims that Jesus was 100% fully man, does not by default mean the person therefore claims that Christ was not also fully God.

Wonderful - then answer your own question - what about Christ being "God" causes you to argue that I should know what He was doing while in the tomb??

I do not have God's daily calendar. I stated that "I do not know" and you simply hit the ceiling.

How do you resolve your own actions here - now that you are arguing that Christ was fully God?

in Christ,

Additionally, just because all the fullness of the Godhead dwellt in Christ does not negate the fact that Jesus was fully man. You are also suggesting that Jesus was somehow NOT fully man.

I have never argued that he was not.

What I argue that is that you and I are NOT fully God and fully man.

What I have repeatedly argued is that the texts speak of humans as undergoing soul sleep at death - never speak of Christ in that manner.

You on the other hand have repeatedly insisted that God-man or not Christ is the same as we are and so we should take all the same texts that speak of our own state during death and apply them to Christ.

I keep arguing that your idea is flawed.

Jesus was bodily Crucified on the Cross - and was bodily raised from the tomb.

But as I already pointed out to you -- Jesus claimed to have the power in Himself to raise himself from the dead.

Not a claim you and I can make.

in Christ,

bob

[BobRyan]

I am asking YOU, not Hansc. If I want to know what Hansc thinks, I will ask HIM. I asked YOU, therefore, I would like to know what YOUR opinion is on the physical/Spiritual makeup of Jesus Christ.

Again, I ask:
Bob, how much of Jesus was God and how much of Him was man?

Percentage-wise? G80% M20%? G50% M50%?

I have never argued any other point - than that Jesus was God and was man. I have never argued that Jesus was "half something and half something else" nor even X% of one thing and Y-% of another -- so where is your question coming from if not from Hansc posting those very ideas?

in Christ,

Bob

[BobRyan]

In Matt 22 Jesus argues the case for the future resurrection with the Sadducees by relying on the soul-sleep state of Abraham in death "God is not the god of the dead".

In John 11 Jesus says "Lazarus sleeps - I go that I may wake him... our friend Lazarus is dead".

In 1Thess 4 Paul says that the saints who have died are in fact "the Dead in Christ" and they have "fallen asleep" in Christ.

The Bible says "The living know that they will die but the dead do not know anything".

In fact the Bible is clear that there is no praise to God among the dead - in death, among those who have gone down to the grave.

Is it any wonder then that God flatly condemned all attempts to communicate with the dead in Isaiah 8:19-20??

in Christ,

Bob