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    Quote Originally Posted by Israel View Post
    Matthew 25:32-40

    32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
    33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
    34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
    35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
    36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

    37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
    38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
    39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
    40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
    Lets look at the whole story, shall we:

    41 “Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, ‘Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons.
    42 For I was hungry, and you didn’t feed me. I was thirsty, and you didn’t give me a drink.
    43 I was a stranger, and you didn’t invite me into your home. I was naked, and you didn’t give me clothing. I was sick and in prison, and you didn’t visit me.’
    44 “Then they will reply, ‘Lord, when did we ever see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and not help you?’
    45 “And he will answer, ‘I tell you the truth, when you refused to help the least of these my brothers and sisters, you were refusing to help me.’
    46 “And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous will go into eternal life.”
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    Go after a life of love as if your life depended on it, because it does. - 1 Corinthians 14:1 (The Message)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Israel View Post
    Will you die? And if this happens to you, why?
    My physical body will perish, but I have already secured eternal life trough Christ - something that can only be done before death overtakes you.
    Wanna trip, baby?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benjie View Post
    My physical body will perish, but I have already secured eternal life trough Christ - something that can only be done before death overtakes you.
    So you imagine a God who says that the flesh profits nothing, having ALL power and holding ALL authority possessing eternity, TO THEN BE POWERLESS UPON THE DEATH OF THE VERY SAME PHYSICAL FLESH THAT DIED you deem lost? And please don't give me that "spirit man" died confusion. You walk and breathe by the SAME Spirit I do! So does everyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Israel View Post
    So you imagine a God who says that the flesh profits nothing, having ALL power and holding ALL authority possessing eternity, TO THEN BE POWERLESS UPON THE DEATH OF THE VERY SAME PHYSICAL FLESH THAT DIED you deem lost? And please don't give me that "spirit man" died confusion. You walk and breathe by the SAME Spirit I do! So does everyone else.
    I don't think I understand what you are asking. Allow me to rephrase what I am hearing/reading your question to be: Do I see God as powerless to save everyone on Earth? Is this what you are asking me?
    Wanna trip, baby?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hismanysongs View Post
    Lets look at the whole story, shall we:
    Matthew 27:36-44

    36 And sitting down they watched him there;

    37 And set up over his head his accusation written, This Is Jesus The King Of The Jews.

    38 Then were there two thieves crucified with him, one on the right hand, and another on the left.

    39 And they that passed by reviled him, wagging their heads,

    40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.

    41 Likewise also the chief priests mocking him, with the scribes and elders, said,

    42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.

    43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.

    44 The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth.

  6. #166
    Quote Originally Posted by Israel View Post
    Matthew 27:36-44

    36 And sitting down they watched him there;

    37 And set up over his head his accusation written, This Is Jesus The King Of The Jews.

    38 Then were there two thieves crucified with him, one on the right hand, and another on the left.

    39 And they that passed by reviled him, wagging their heads,

    40 And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.

    41 Likewise also the chief priests mocking him, with the scribes and elders, said,

    42 He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.

    43 He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.

    44 The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth.

    Israel, you remind me of the person being described in 2 Peter 3:16.


    2 Peter 3:16

    Speaking of this as he does in all of his letters. There are some things in those [epistles of Paul] that are difficult to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist and misconstrue to their own [a]utter destruction, just as [they distort and misinterpret] the rest of the Scriptures.

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    Jesus didn't save both theives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquila View Post
    Jesus didn't save both theives.
    Aquila,

    The two on the Cross on either side of Him, is a picture of Two Natures, the one old, and the other New.
    It's got nothing to do with what we see in the natural.

    The same pattern is displayed starting with Cain and Abel, Jacob and Esau, Sarah and Haggar, The two manners of people in the womb of Rebekah,The Twin disciples..etc. etc....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2KnowHim View Post
    Aquila,

    The two on the Cross on either side of Him, is a picture of Two Natures, the one old, and the other New.
    It's got nothing to do with what we see in the natural.

    The same pattern is displayed starting with Cain and Abel, Jacob and Esau, Sarah and Haggar, The two manners of people in the womb of Rebekah,The Twin disciples..etc. etc....

    I agree with the dicotomy we see running through the scripture from the beginning. But that does not change the fact that Jesus saved only one of the theives - the repentant one.

    An actual event - not a myth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquila View Post
    I agree with the dicotomy we see running through the scripture from the beginning. But that does not change the fact that Jesus saved only one of the theives - the repentant one.

    An actual event - not a myth.
    True, on this side Jordan (death), but after he died he was no longer a thief now was he?

    Not only that but, there is another circumcision made after Jordan is crossed. Jos. 5:-

 

 

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