The Sabbath

[dave]

Since Jesus admitted to working on the Sabbath, I would say "NO" it doesn't. It honors a complete life "to" the Lord.

I'm not sure if I understand you correctly, but I think I agree with you on this...we can give our whole lives to the Lord by loving Him. And so in that love, when also give to Him His Holy Day by communing and worshipping Him as a community...going to Church on the day that Christ and the Apostles showed to us...on Sunday. Christ fulfilled the Law, but did not abolish it (Matt 5:17), and now the day we give to God is not the Sabbath, but the Lord's Day...Sunday. So we still obey the First Commandment, only in the fulfillment of it (the Lord's Day, not the Sabbath).

[Philthy]

Since Jesus admitted to working on the Sabbath, I would say "NO" it doesn't. It honors a complete life "to" the Lord.

Not a bad thought, but what "work" did Jesus admit to doing on the Sabbath?? I think that he (or his disciples) were accused of doing a "work" on the Sabbath but only according to the man-made standards that the Pharisees and Saduccees had created. We have to remember that Jesus fulfilled the Law perfectly, and "Keep Holy the Sabbath Day" was part of that and he did things differently on Sabbath days than on non-Sabbath days, in addition to devoting his life to the Lord. I'm kinda wondering what the point of the Sabbath being part of the OT law was really...why was it needed then and what did it point to now?

[Unclaimed Treasure]

Why is the Sabbath necessary? Well one reason is to point us to the ultimate "Sabbath Rest" that awaits us in heaven...which will not be a time of inactivity. But the other reason is we are finite human beings and we will work ourselves and/or others to the death if we do not have a command to slow down! If you look at our commercial world in this country, a restaurant chain like Chik-Filet is penalized because they refuse to be open on Sunday. Wal-Mart is not only open seven days a week but 24 hours a day. For all practical purposes, we no longer have a Sabbath on either Saturday or Sunday. Sure, we might go to church on one of those days, but what else do we do on that day? Go out to eat? Go shopping? Do the laundry? Do homework? Even if we are not working ourselves, such as in going out to eat, we are requiring someone else to work. Just as studies are showing that as a nation, we no longer get enough sleep, I think some studies are also showing that our 24/7 culture is doing a negative number on our collective health.

[Philthy]

I'm doing a little research on the subject and I came across this wonderful document from the late John Paul 11 in his Apostolic letter: Dies Domini, which I believe translates as "The Lord's Day"
The breadth of knowledge - biblical, historical, theological, cultural - is impressive to say the least. This is not for everyone, and certainly not something to rush through, but if you have the time and interest it's worth checking out:

http://www.scborromeo.org/docs/dies_...d97072&cmd=xml

[other one]

Not a bad thought, but what "work" did Jesus admit to doing on the Sabbath?? I think that he (or his disciples) were accused of doing a "work" on the Sabbath but only according to the man-made standards that the Pharisees and Saduccees had created. We have to remember that Jesus fulfilled the Law perfectly, and "Keep Holy the Sabbath Day" was part of that and he did things differently on Sabbath days than on non-Sabbath days, in addition to devoting his life to the Lord. I'm kinda wondering what the point of the Sabbath being part of the OT law was really...why was it needed then and what did it point to now?

John 5:15-18
15 The man went away, and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had made him well. 16 And for this reason the Jews were persecuting Jesus, because He was doing these things on the Sabbath. 17 But He answered them, "My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working ." 18 For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.
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the Jews were accusing him of working on the sabbath by healing people. It's odd that he didn't correct them in thier accusation, but freely admitted that not only was he working, but the Father had been working too.
When you look at the commandment within the ten, people were not supposed to do any work whatsoever on the seventh day. all the chruch attendance is tradition even from the Jews.
Well while I do enjoy attending church on sundays, I don't consider it a rest. And I don't love the Lord any more on Sunday than any other day of the week. Actually since we retired, Sundays are about the most stressful day of the week.... the rest of the time I just do what I want....... and more and more it's becoming like the sabbath...... I rest. LoL

[Philthy]

the Jews were accusing him of working on the sabbath by healing people. It's odd that he didn't correct them in thier accusation, but freely admitted that not only was he working, but the Father had been working too.

Odd? I don't think so, I think it's classic. He answers their question in a way that was meant not only to reveal the truth of the Sabbath to them but, as always, to confirm who He is and who's will He has come to do.

all the chruch attendance is tradition even from the Jews.

I'm not sure what your point is...

Well while I do enjoy attending church on sundays, I don't consider it a rest.

Again, not sure what your point is.

And I don't love the Lord any more on Sunday than any other day of the week.

Of course not. Neither the OT Sabbath nor Sunday worship suggest you should love God more on Sat/Sun. What's your point in saying that?

Actually since we retired, Sundays are about the most stressful day of the week.... the rest of the time I just do what I want....... and more and more it's becoming like the sabbath...... I rest. LoL

I also have some stressful Sundays - it's not right and I know it. I allow them to be that way...