He tasted Death for All Mankind

[Aquila]

Again, the point I was making is that under the New Covenant 'the people' are those that have received Christ. They are sanctified by the sprinkled blood of Christ in their hearts. If one rejects Christ they are not part of the New Covenant just as the Gentiles were not part of the Old Covenant unless they were like Ruth who came in as a stranger.

And that is what Hebrews is saying- that Jesus fulfilled everything the Law and the Prophets foreshadowed.

[2KnowHim]

Again, the point I was making is that under the New Covenant 'the people' are those that have received Christ. They are sanctified by the sprinkled blood of Christ in their hearts. If one rejects Christ they are not part of the New Covenant just as the Gentiles were not part of the Old Covenant unless they were like Ruth who came in as a stranger.

And that is what Hebrews is saying- that Jesus fulfilled everything the Law and the Prophets foreshadowed.

And much, much more than just that.


Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

2Co 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
2Co 3:8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
2Co 3:9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.
2Co 3:10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.
2Co 3:11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
2Co 3:12 Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:
2Co 3:13 And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:
2Co 3:14 But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.
2Co 3:15 But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

As is with most Christians today.

Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

Luk 17:14 And when he saw them, he said unto them, Go shew yourselves unto the priests. And it came to pass, that, as they went, they were cleansed.
Luk 17:15 And one of them, when he saw that he was healed, turned back, and with a loud voice glorified God,
Luk 17:16 And fell down on his face at his feet, giving him thanks: and he was a Samaritan.
Luk 17:17 And Jesus answering said, Were there not ten cleansed? but where are the nine?
Luk 17:18 There are not found that returned to give glory to God, save this stranger.

Ruth is a picture of the World, that has been joined unto Him, through the Kinsman Redeemer.
We are all the offspring of God. Even though we too, were once strangers, we have been made nigh by the blood.

When the consummation happens, it will be the World that will receive Him, and the Hypocrites will be afraid and astonished.

[Titus]

And I'm trying to tell you that "They do NOT mean the same Thing".

You think death is all the same thing, and it is NOT.[/QUOTE]Your telling me something does make you right. In this case you are wrong.

[Aquila]

Ruth is a picture of the World, that has been joined unto Him, through the Kinsman Redeemer.
We are all the offspring of God. Even though we too, were once strangers, we have been made nigh by the blood.

Well, as I understand it Ruth is a type of someone under the law. Her husband was a Jew even though they lived in Moab. But he dies and Ruth eventually is redeemed and marries Boaz in the land. Boaz is a type of Christ in resurrection. Ruth became dead to the law that she might be married to another.

Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
(Rom 7:1-4 KJV)


This is written to brethren, not to the world because it is only through the cross that one can be dead to the law and joined to the Lord in resurrection on the other side. It's not possible to be fruitful under the law and it's real clear that if one rejects Christ and his sacrifice that they will be judged by the law.

[Aquila]

What it amounts to is that there is no way around the cross. It's only through Jesus' death and resurrection that one can come to God. If you look in the first chapter of Ruth there is another girl who chooses to stay in Moab. Both Jewish men die in Moab and they were brothers. Now their wives each take a different direction, Ruth follows Naomi but the other girl does not.

Ruth brings forth fruit by Boaz -

Obed - meaning to serve or worshiper.
Jesse - meaning I possess, heritage
David - meaning beloved

That fruit doesn't come forth under law, it's only through Christ's death and resurrection.

[RoyS]

The universalist pack of lies is done here. This thread is closed.