US Supreme Court health care ruling

[Benjie]

This is what we are headed for:

A Canadian study released Wednesday found that many provinces in our neighbor to the north have seen patients fleeing the country and opting for medical treatment in the United States.

The nonpartisan Fraser Institute reported that 46,159 Canadians sought medical treatment outside of Canada in 2011, as wait times increased 104 percent — more than double — compared with statistics from 1993.

Specialist physicians surveyed across 12 specialties and 10 provinces reported an average total wait time of 19 weeks between the time a general practitioner refers a patient and the time a specialist provides elective treatment — the longest they have ever recorded.

In 2011, Canadians enrolled in the nation’s government-dominated health service . . .


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/11/re...h-care-in-2011

Eighty-three percent of American physicians have considered leaving their practices over President Barack Obama’s health care reform law, according to a survey released by the Doctor Patient Medical Association.

The DPMA, a non-partisan association of doctors and patients, surveyed a random selection of 699 doctors nationwide. The survey found that the majority have thought about bailing out of their careers over the legislation, which was upheld last month by the Supreme Court.

Even if doctors do not quit their jobs over the ruling, America will face a shortage of at least 90,000 doctors by 2020. The new health care law increases demand for physicians by expanding insurance coverage. This change will exacerbate the current shortage as more Americans live past 65.

By 2025 the shortage will balloon to . . .


Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/09/re...over-obamacare

These are just some of the horror stories that I am hearing about what is on the horizon for the US.

[other one]

and yet from all our travels (some in canada) i have yet to find anyone who dislikes thier health system.

[Benjie]

and yet from all our travels (some in canada) i have yet to find anyone who dislikes thier health system.

The studies scream otherwise. Anecdotal evidence may be one thing, but verifiable statistics are something else entirely.

Putting it another way, I live in the south, and all I ever see on cars are Obama bumper stickers. I have seen maybe one or two stickers for anyone else. Anecdotal evidence doesn't have much sway with me.

[other one]

Bejie, we took a cruise to Quebec city two years ago and I talked with hundreds of people on that three week trip and I didn't see anyone who would say that they wanted to change thier system. So from my personal experience I simply don't trust the polls, for the people taking them have agenda's.

Not that I'm all that fond of obama care, but Obamacare is nothing at all like the Canadian system.

If you look at how insurance companies work and what it takes to keep prices down, a single pool of people is the least expensive way to have insurance, and having everyone in that single pool is the absolute best that you can get........ now having the government in control of it may well put a monkey wrench into the workings, but a single pool system is just the way insurance works best.

[Benjie]

Not that I'm all that fond of obama care, but Obamacare is nothing at all like the Canadian system.

Not yet, although I suppose that's not very fair of me to say. They are modeling it after the U.K.

And yes, I plan on posting the proof of that sometime soon. Too busy enjoying Tennessee right now. Lol!

[strongcuppajoe]

Honestly I cannot wait to get out of here.. so tired of this job market and the Gender prejudice with my job.. ( I was told men will NOT be hired as Medical Assistants and another guy told me that I must be gay for wanting to work in that capacity. That guys had to pick himself up I was so angry I think I might have broke his nose) TN is good if you have cash but if you are one of the ones who lost everything after the crash it is almost like India..

[JesusLovesYou]

Praying for you, scj.

[other one]

bnjie, this bill is nothing like the UK either. They have a single payer government system and the healthcare bill is simply setting up very minumum guidelines for insurance companies to sell their products. They are already regulated to death by individual states so it's not like anything is really changing (other than the new taxes that are involved [which is what you guys should be yelling about]).

You can't even get from here to either Canada or the UK, without law changed that are much more drastic than any of these.

They are changing Medicare up a bit, but not drastically, and medicare is much much better than the VA.

I just think that some in the Republican party are still planting false ideas just as they did with the HR3200 that are simply false.

Death pannels, forced chipping and the likes have been rampant all along and those came right off the net for Tea Party sites. And when you show them they are wrong they refuse to removed the falsehoods....... it's worse than Alex Jones.

If you want to stop the Obama think stick to pure truths and start fighting his crazy tax increases that no one seems to ever want to talk about. All we seem to want to discuss is the fact that about 1% of our people are going to be forced to buy insurance. half of them can't afford it and should receive help and the other half have been living off the rest of us for decades because they "won't" buy insurance and they can't pay their high hospital bills.


You guys talk about freeloaders getting welfare and how unfair it for us to be taxed to help them, but stand up for people who can but don't pay their own medical bills which drives up the cost of aspirins in hospitals to about ten dollars.

I trully do not understand this stance on the subject.

[BeyondBlessed]

I trully do not understand this stance on the subject.

Its like Rubio's immigration policy. Once Obama was on board, the Re****licans opposed it. It has nothing to do with the measure. It only has to do with the president. This bill is the Republican Health Equity and Access Reform Act from 1993, except that bill actually did ration care on the federal level (assumed states would chip in for the rest).

Oh, why do we so loathe this thing?
We used to love it so.
We used to say, "For health reform
This is the way to go."
We said it was free enterprise
(And we explained just how).
If this was our idea back then,
How could we hate it now?

We hate it 'cause it's his, lads. We hate it 'cause it's his.
We hate it 'cause it's his, lads. That's what our hatred is.
You needn't be a whiz, lads, to ace this simple quiz.
We hate it 'cause it's his, lads. We hate it 'cause it's his.

If Mitt's plan was the model here,
What caused this great upheaval?
If Mitt's makes sense, then why is this
Just socialized evil?
If this approach once seemed so good
That all of us were for it,
How come it is so wicked now
That all of us abhor it?

We hate it 'cause it's his, lads. We hate it 'cause it's his.
We hate it 'cause it's his, lads. That's what our hatred is.
You needn't be a whiz, lads, to ace this simple quiz.
We hate it 'cause it's his, lads. We hate it 'cause it's his.

Calvin Trillin, Deadline Poet
The Nation Magazine Jul. 30 - Aug. 6, 2012

[BeyondBlessed]

Honestly I cannot wait to get out of here.. so tired of this job market and the Gender prejudice with my job.. ( I was told men will NOT be hired as Medical Assistants and another guy told me that I must be gay for wanting to work in that capacity. That guys had to pick himself up I was so angry I think I might have broke his nose) TN is good if you have cash but if you are one of the ones who lost everything after the crash it is almost like India..

That's interesting. I have a friend who took a job in Clarksville, TN not too long ago and he gave pretty much the same assessment. He says they're about 20 years behind. We're from Evansville, IN, a small city in a red state. He's Korean and even if its not in a negative way his race is the first thing he's asked about by everyone he meets, and where he works he was told he could not answer the phones, only females could, and he couldn't even give them a short break. That's a considerably bigger city than where we're from, but he says the downtown and mall looks like a really poor small town, and he complained about the internet speeds being a fraction of what they are here and cost more.

I didn't think a whole lot of it at the time, but now that you mention it maybe there is a problem with Tennessee. I haven't gone south of Louisville in a long time.