An Islamic Anti-Christ?

[other one]

Is the outcome of the war in Ezekiel the same as armageddon. In ezekiel the armies turn on themselves and are destroyed by natural disasters and at the battle of armageddon, Jesus himself comes down to do the killing. the outcomes are different.

I'm confused as to how they can be the same.

BTW the Revived Roman Empire is already here.... It's political capitol is ten square miles within Washington DC and we refer to it as the capitol complex. It was morphed into a separate corporate entity in the late 1800's and deannexed as a separate city state in the early 1980's. it has it's own constitution, laws police and goverenment officials and uses the old Lex Fori Roman law system to govern itself.
The center square mile of London did the same back in the 1600's and is a city state all itself and that is where the Bank of London, the London Stock Market, Lloyds of London and several branch banks from all over the world. It has it's own government, police force and when the Queen needs to go to the bank, she has to have permission to enter the area.

When you tie in the Vatican, you have a trio of city states that pretty much run the world. Ours the political and military, London financially, and soon the Vatican spiritually...... and I do believe that it is the war in Ezekiel that will bring it into full fruitation and the entity that was, and is not, but is to be will rise out of the bottomless pit and the world will fall at his/her/it's feet.


I know that you disagree, but as history goes along just keep in the back of your mind the possibilities.

[Aquila]

And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground; And should sleep, and rise night and day, and the seed should spring and grow up, he knoweth not how. For the earth bringeth forth fruit of herself; first the blade, then the ear, after that the full corn in the ear. But when the fruit is brought forth, immediately he putteth in the sickle, because the harvest is come.
(Mar 4:26-29 KJV)


I see a continuation there, a process all the way to harvest. One way to apply that is to say that Genesis is a seed plot and Revelation is the full harvest of those things sown from the beginning. So wherever we are in the time between the sowing and the harvest, we are in the process of the kingdom of God growing and maturing. Also consider that the firstfruit is not the full harvest. This theme also gets to the written word of God being written to us and for us because we are just as much a part of the mystery of the kingdom of God as the first disciples were. And Abel, Noah, Abraham, Moses and David are just as much in this as we are, Hebrews 11 lays that out real clear. It's not like God pressed the pause button or somehow decreed that the growth of the wheat should stop for a huge segment of years until it's time for Christ to come. Of course some folks will not be interested or maybe not want to think about prophecy and end times issues but that can also be because there are things about it that hit a little to close to home for comfort.

If we consider the Bible as a complete unit then time actually becomes less important. People can say from a worldly standpoint that 2000 years to the time of Christ in his earthly walk or the book of Acts or 5000 years back to Nimrod and Asshur is not relevant because so much time has passed but that is not how the Lord thinks. For him 1000 years is like a day. Do we consider 5 days ago to be irrelevant to us and our daily pursuits and purposes? If 5000 years is really a long time for God and the working of his purposes, then is he really even God? Of course the Lord He is God.

Psa 90:4 For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night.

Anyway, I find end times topics to be very interesting, it gets me going a little, but not in any way in anger or bad feelings. I just think we are at the close of the age and it's a real good idea to watch and seek to understand where we are.

Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
(Dan 12:10 KJV)

[Hansc]

Otherone consider

Is the outcome of the war in Ezekiel the same as armageddon?

Yes, they are identical. After Armageddon, the world will know that Jesus is the God of the Jews, the Jews will know that Jesus is God, Jesus will reign and not allow them to pollute His name. In short, that is the outcome of Armageddon.

Now look at Ezekiel.

Ezekiel 39
I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel

After Ezekiel, the world will know that Jesus is the God of the Jews, the Jews will know that Jesus is God, Jesus will reign and not allow them to pollute His name. In short, that is the outcome of Armageddon and Ezekiel. They are identical.

In short, after Ezekiel, the ENTIRE world will know that Jesus is God and He will not allow them to pollute His name "any more." This cant be true if Ezekiel is prior to the seven year tribulation which has rampant blasphamy and ignorance of who God is.

at the battle of armageddon, Jesus himself comes down to do the killing.

True. Now look at Ezekiel.

Ezekiel 38
When Gog attacks the land of Israel, my hot anger will be aroused, declares the Sovereign Lord. . . all the people on the face of the earth will tremble AT MY PRESENCE. The mountains will be overturned, the cliffs will crumble and every wall will fall to the ground

In Armageddon, God will be present.
In Ezekiel, God will be present.

Ezekiel 38

I will SHOW my greatness and my holiness, and I will make myself known in the SIGHT of many nations. Then they will know that I am the LORD

At Armageddon, people will quake at His presence.
At Ezekiel, people will quake at His presence.

In ezekiel the armies turn on themselves and are destroyed by natural disasters

No doubt, natural disasters will be a part of the endtimes.
For example:

There is a huge earthquake at Armageddon.
There is a huge earthquake at Ezekiel.

Yet, Ezekiel is not purely natural as you suggest.

Ezekiel 39

I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD

Raining fire and brimstone down on the enemy is not really a natural disaster.

We can see that:

At Armageddon, people will quake at His presence.
At Ezekiel, people will quake at His presence.

There is a huge earthquake at Armageddon.
There is a huge earthquake at Ezekiel.

After Ezekiel the entire world will know who is God.
After Armageddon the entire world will know who is God.

After Ezekiel God will SHOW His greatness by SIGHT.
After Armageddon God will SHOW His greatness by SIGHT

After Ezekiel people will NOT be allowed to pollute His Holy Name.
After Armageddon people will NOT be allowed to pollute His Holy Name.

We could go on, but there is a really long list showing Ezekiel and Armageddon both speak of the same event.

Anyway, after the battle, this is what God says:

Ezekiel 39
From that day forward the house of Israel will know that I am the Lord their God. And the nations will know that the people of Israel went into exile for their sin, because they were unfaithful to me. So I hid my face from them and handed them over to their enemies, and they all fell by the sword. I dealt with them according to their uncleanness and their offenses, and I hid my face from them. . . NEITHER WILL I HIDE MY FACE ANY MORE

After Ezekiel the mystery of who God is and why the Jews have suffered is clear to the entire planet.

After Ezekiel God's presence is known by sight.
After Armageddon God's presence is known by sight.

From my perspective, it is clear, The battle in Ezekiel is the Battle of Armageddon.

[other one]

Some of the differences I see.


Ezk: some Islam nations not mentioned as part of invading force
Armag: All nations involved

Ezk: Earthquakes and fire from heaven Bones of army burried
Armag: slain from the sword of the mouth of Jesus. No mention of burrial.


Ezk: Some nations aligned to invade Israel
Armag: All nations are involved


Ezk: Gog, men and nations are involved no mention of the Devil (Satan) or whatever
Armag: seems to happen after Satan kicked out of Heaven and he's directly involved


Ezk: part of the invading army survives and are driven off
Armag: whole army is destroyed

Ezk: no mention of antichrist/beast. Armies attacking Israel
Armag: Jesus fighting the Antichrist/Beast

Ezk: Israel living in peace and the attack occurs out of the blue with no warning.
Armag: follows all kinds of signs and wonders as Jesus comes to defend Israel after the Beast has invaded israel.

Ezk: I don't see Ezk. referring to Jesus remaining in person as after the Battle of Armegaddon where he deals with Satan.

i'm not even sure that the coming battle is even the battle of Gog/Magog, but something much shorter and with less people that will let Israel seem to be living in peace, and The Muslim Brotherhood is not about to let that happen. I see Israel wipping out the MB countries and finally it seems they will have peace when Iran and the rest is forced to come against Israel.

I would add though that the whole pagan world is expecting thier feathered serpant god to appear in December, and the Zohar is expecting the Jewish Messiah to arrive in the year starting in late September..... If that happens then all this other stuff will have to happen pretty quickly and maybe so close together that it kind of all blends together.



Whatever the case, it just goes to show just how much we need Jesus and the Holy Spirit in our lives and to be ready for just about anything.

Just some things that look different to me from some notes from a sunday school lesson.